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Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?

The trade of Josh Beckett and Edgardo East to the Red Sox signals the start of yet another Marlin fire sale. If you could pass the tissue, I seem to have nothing in my eye. Without two world championships, it would be easy to feel sorry for Marlin fan. Add in the rings, and the fact they stepped over Giant cadavers to get them, and the sympathy factor drops exponentially.

So it isn't the least bit ghoulish to me to start picking through the estate sale. And I want Carlos Delgado. I want him I want him I want him I want him. I will hold my breath until I turn blue, I will kick my feet on the ground, and I will point to the bad area of the doll when the authorities start asking questions. But the authorities won't have to get involved if I get what I want. And I want Carlos Delgado.

Similar problems exist between Delgado and Jim Thome. Older first-basemen not blessed with blazing speed and athleticism tend to age poorly. Thome is already showing signs of breaking down. Delgado is not, and that's a huge reason why the Marlins aren't going to have to eat salary to trade him, while the Phillies only wish they were so lucky. Delgado is coming off a fantastic year.

The Marlins aren't going to necessarily get a stupendous package of talent from the acquiring team, either. Delgado's contract over the next three years is substantial, and that cuts into his value on the market. But before we have visions of legally changing Jason Ellison's name to Semi Pierre, slapping a bow on him, and sending him over in a straight-up deal, it should be pointed out there is competition for Delgado's services. The Orioles, Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers are all linked to him in different reports, and they can all put together some interesting deals if it becomes competitive.

Another factor that makes the idea of acquiring Delgado seem improbable: the Giants aren't even going to explore this option. There's no link to go with that assertion. Just a hunch. The Giants have repeatedly demonstrated an organizational philosophy that is averse to paying for stars. This is a quantity vs. quality argument known as the Geddina Lee philosophy, which applies...:

....to people who would prefer to sleep with ten women who look like Geddy Lee, rather than sleep with one woman who looks like Charlize Theron.1

1.Source: Sigmund Freud, The Complete Works (Director's Cut)

Vladimir Guerrero? Nah. Better to spend those millions on a plethora of mediocre players like Michael Tucker and Brett Tomko. While the philosophy might seem silly, especially when applying it to a player like Vlad, it can make sense at times. There's still a lot of youth left in Carlos Beltran, but last year he sure didn't hit like someone worth a substantial portion of a team's budget.

However, the Giants need some serious help on offense, and they can not afford to monkey around with the idea of Mark Sweeneys and Daryle Wards to take over first base. Delgado's contract represents a smaller risk than Thome's, and only a great hitter like Delgado can help this team in any drastic way. Not an okay hitter, but a great hitter is what will be needed for the 30+ games that Bonds will sit out if we're lucky, and a great hitter is what would properly complement Bonds when he's in.

The Giants don't have the talent to trade for cheap and great, so they'll have to settle for pricey and great. That's the consequence of a decades-long farm system slump, but at least there's an out. It's Carlos Delgado, he's the reason I've changed my mind about how to fix this team for the 53rd time, and I'll pout when the Giants don't get him.

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Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
Can't...see...Delgado;...vision...clouded...by...too...tight...wallet...

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Nov 23, 2005 5:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
Did you put in the Geddy Lee reference just for me?  You are a cool dude, either way.

And yes, I'll take two Delgados, hold the lettuce.

P.S.  I do feel sorry for the fans in Florida.  The Grim Reaper owns them.  By command of his Dark Lord, Seligula, he is tearing down that franchise just as surely as he tore down the Expos.  Trash the stadium?  Check.  (Never mind that MLB countenanced the stupid lease, at the very least.)  Trash the fanbase?  Check.  Betray the fanbase as much as possible (two World Series followed by two complete demolitions)?  Check.  Threaten to move, extort cash from the local governments, and generally act like a whiny baby?  Check.

Goodbye, Marlins.  I'll never forgive you for wiping us out in '97 and '03, but your fans do not deserve this.

by Skaldheim on Nov 22, 2005 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

OK, I'll bite...
Who is Geddy Lee and where can I get her number?
And when you're old and grey you will remember what they said: '2 girls are too many, 3's a crowd and 4 you're dead' - The Kinks

by kenshin1 on Nov 22, 2005 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: OK, I'll bite...
Lead singer of Rush.  To quote Pavement:
"what about the voice of geddy lee
how did it get so high?
i wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy?
(i know him and he does!)

and you're my fact-checkin' cuz
(Aww...)"

by amoose on Nov 22, 2005 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

ugghh...
prog rock.  I feel dirty...

(thanks btw)

And when you're old and grey you will remember what they said: '2 girls are too many, 3's a crowd and 4 you're dead' - The Kinks

by kenshin1 on Nov 22, 2005 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
It took me a long time to read this entry, it was hilariously dense.  Pointing at the bad area is a classic.  Geddina Lee must be bookmarked for later reference.  That is exactly what they do.  

I wonder what it would take to get Delgado?  Do the Giants even have enough talent in the minors to get him?  Excluding Matt Cain, I don't think anyone else in the minors is untouchable, so why not at least try?  But you are right, they won't try because they are saddled with Alfonzo and they don't want to push the payroll over $ 90 million.  If they did it, it would shut a lot of the "lunatic fringe" up and could lead them back into the playoffs.

by out machine on Nov 22, 2005 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

Minors-Schminors
The Marlins need good and cheap major league help right now.  Someone who can step right into a job without costing much.  They need... they need... why they need Pedro Feliz and Kevin Correia as fast as humanly possible.  I wouldn't be surpised if they weren't pining for a Todd linden type, too.

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
The good news is the latest mailbag on sfgiants.com says that the Giants would be willing to go over $85M.  The bad news is that even at $90M, we don't have enough to cover Delgado's salary and the other players the team needs:  MI, #4 starting pitcher, #5 starting pitcher (according to KNBR Hot Stove, Sabean said he's looking for two starting pitchers; why don't they archive these talks anymore?), backup catcher.  We could use Angel Chavez, Hennessey, Correia, and the Other Alfonzo as catcher, but will we be happy with that?

The only way this trade works is if they accept Alfonzo from us, which is doubtful, I have to assume that the other teams can put together a nice package of players.  And obviously we're not trading Cain, so the ones we have to offer probably start with Hennessey, Correia, Niekro, Linden, Valdez, Ortmeier, Lewis and EME, and perhaps include Simon, Wilson, Schierholtz, and Ishikawa, basically we're duplicating the Vida Blue trade, a hunka bunch of unproven prospects in exchange for the one expensive superstar player.

The Giants problem is not paying for stars but in having two stars on the team at once, as they did with Bonds and Williams.  The logic for them is that then you don't have enough money to pay for the rest of the team to be better than average.  They point to 1995 and 1996 and say, "see, don't work."

But they are missing the point, it's not that two stars don't work, it's that there is no baseball team except for the Yankees maybe that can win when any of the stars are injured and out.  That's life and there's no insurance for that.  The Giants ownership and management have just been copping out and saying they want to avoid that risk.  

Well, here's the reality - if they want to avoid the risk, they are in the wrong business, the risk of injury exists at any point in time, you never know when the fastball turns in breaks someone's face bones, you never know when your two CFs crash head-first into each other, you never know when a player will slide in hard and take out your expensive MI.  You take the risk and keep your fingers crossed.  

Thus far, the Angels have looked pretty good with Vlad.  The reality is that he could have been an Albert Belle or Mo Vaughn redux and killed the payroll for the next 5-7 years (don't remember his contract length).  The same could have happened to the Giants with Bonds' contract, if his leg went out in 2002 like it did in 2005, the Giants probably would have stunk pretty bad from 2002-2005.

So, yes, they should be careful with whom they sign, making sure he seems healthy enough.  But we've seen what an injured Durham has done to the offense and a presumably injured and/or aging Alfonzo has done to the offense and then there's Nen, what his absence did to the bullpen while he was out.  The risk is always there with any high-priced free agent we get, but they cannot just go with all youngsters either and be reasonably confident that the team would be competitive, you have to try to balance all the risks.  That's why they make the big bucks.

But despite the best laid plans of mice and GMs, there is always the fickle finger of fate, out there to muss up your plans and send you, post-haste, into the second division.  Fearing that this will happen is no way to manage the roster of the team, if a good player is available, you need to make the leap.

Now, is Delgado that guy to make the leap for?  Heck yeah!  His road stats are great, as well as his RHP stats.  He doesn't play all the games, so he could give up some ABs against LHP to Niekro in a semi-platoon or we could free up Niekro's spot for another backup player if we find that a better option.

The only caveat I would have is that he is probably a one-year rental with sharply depreciating value.  He has said he is happy in Florida and don't want to leave.  I assume he wants to stay near Puerto Rico, which I assume is his home.  Like Vazquez, he can demand a trade from the Giants in one year and, since everyone knows we have to get rid of him, will get lowballed by everyone.  And if we keep him, he could make the clubhouse hell in 2007, don't know what his rep is.  

But sign me up, Barry's Last Year or Bust!  

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 22, 2005 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

Simple Game
Would you rather have had Vlad and a major league minimum for the last 3 years or Fonzie and Durham. The economics of Sabes argument only hold so long as you don't turn around and vastly overpay for lesser talents (see, Geddina Lee post).

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Hindsight equals...
an unfair evaluation ;-).  At the time of those signings (a criterion we must at least consider when examining any GM move) Durham had not yet exhibited his propensity for nagging injuries and Alfonso remained one of the premier free agents on the market.  Would I rather have vlad than Fonzie and Durham?  Of course! However, I consider Fonzie and Durham good decisions that simply failed to work out.
And when you're old and grey you will remember what they said: '2 girls are too many, 3's a crowd and 4 you're dead' - The Kinks

by kenshin1 on Nov 22, 2005 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Hindsight
Yeah... good point. I must admit I had no problem with those deals when they were signed, and I'm embarrassed to admit that I was particularly excited about the Alfonzo deal.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Simple Game
Also, that was not the choice, unfortunately.  Vlad was not available that off-season as a free agent.  

That said, I doubt the Giants would have pursued Vlad pre-2003 either under the same rule they have been following of no two high-priced superstars.  

Though it would have been interesting because up to that point Vlad had never been injured - I think his herniated disc in his back scared them off too - and they clearly had the money, whereas in pre-2004, they needed to dip into the pocket to get the extra money to get him.  So instead of getting Alfonzo and Cruz Jr., they use the money on Vlad but backload it to better match their cash flows.  But ultimately, I think they pass and go another route.

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 22, 2005 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Simple Game
Hmm, apparently my memory is no better on this issue than on doubleheaders from the 70s. D'oh. But I must ask, why is it Vlad's back upset them so much, but Fonzie's didn't even bother them enough to get a physical? (bitter, bitter, bitter)

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Simple Game
Perhaps that's what upset them about Vlad's back, after Alfonzo's horrible start of 2003...

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 22, 2005 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

ah but if i could turn back time
ala Cher, I'd note that I was saying the same thing 2 years ago. I always liked Durham when I lived in chicago, but Fonzie had already had two brutal years before leaving the Mets.  His production as a 2b was more than questionable, as a 3b it was unthinkable. Even if we'd gotten Durham and Loretta instead (removing the Fonzie stink from the equation) it wouldn't be worth one Vlad to me. (for the record, I also cried the day we threw Liriano into the AJ trade, although the rest of it didn't bother me that much at the time).

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

The power of prognostication
If you checked the mccoveychronicle archives you would see that I thought Tomko would be a  star this year and I annointed him my official pitcher
And when you're old and grey you will remember what they said: '2 girls are too many, 3's a crowd and 4 you're dead' - The Kinks

by kenshin1 on Nov 22, 2005 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I said we should lock up Shawn Estes
to a long-term contract somewhere in the summer of '97.

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Calvin Murray was the future, dammit!
He just needed a little more playing time.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Calvin Murray was the future, dammit!
I wanted Armando Rios to get full time RF position pre-Schmidt trade.

by out machine on Nov 22, 2005 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's just a matter of time
until Mark Leonard is the everyday right fielder.  Trust me.
Did you ever go to bed with Carlos Delgado and wake up with Daryle Ward?

by Fog City Blues on Nov 22, 2005 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Yeah, but it's just a matter of time
Right after they give Steve Decker the starting catcher's job.  

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 22, 2005 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Time to make you gentlemen...
feel old ;-)

I have no idea who either Mark Leonard or Steve Decker is.

And when you're old and grey you will remember what they said: '2 girls are too many, 3's a crowd and 4 you're dead' - The Kinks

by kenshin1 on Nov 22, 2005 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Time to make you gentlemen...
You're better off for it, Kenshin. Although I always had a soft spot for Leonard since he was a fellow UCSB Gaucho.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Time to make you gentlemen...
Bill James loved Decker. I can't remember the exact quote, but he called Decker the best prospect in baseball, or a future all-star, or both.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 22, 2005 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Time to make you gentlemen...
Then I guess you don't know who Rich Murray or Joe Strain are either?  :^)

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 22, 2005 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Time to make you gentlemen...
bloody hell - I thought Mike Caruso had a future.

by Aadik on Nov 22, 2005 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

While we're discussing...
...players whom I was irrationally exuberant about...

The Brian Dallimore era has ended... he just signed a minor league deal with the Brewers.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: While we're discussing...
That's right, he'll have a better chance playing behind Hardy and Weeks and Hall - not likely - plus there's Russell Branyan and the guy who also signed a minor league contract, Abernathy, who is also a 2B and they just re-signed Cirillo, who plays 3B plus a little 1B, but Overbay is keeping the seat warm at 1B and Fielder is the heir apparent.  

Is that really the best he could do? There must be some other team with openings for 2B/3B utility, I like the guy and his tenacity to keep going, but there must be a better situation somewhere else.  KC, for example, as no one listed as depth according to the Yahoo site, that should be a better situation for him to make the majors than Milwaukee unless there are plans to trade off Branyan and Hall.

Good luck Brian!  We'll always have the grand slam at SBC!

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 22, 2005 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Time to make you gentlemen...
  I still think if Rich Murray can get a few more at-bats......

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Nov 23, 2005 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Time to make you gentlemen...
I was such a huge supporter of Max Venable (future Hall of Famer) that I was still pissed off when the Giants didn't draft his kid last year (future Hall of Famer for sure!).

by Roger on Nov 23, 2005 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

My first autographs
Max Venable and Milt May signed my little league hat when I was on the field for a Little Giants clinic in 1980... good times.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 23, 2005 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Brutal?
Alfonzo hit .308/.391/.459 in his final season as a Met... he hasn't even approached that level as a Giant, peaking at .289/.350/.407 in 2004. Perhaps my hopes were overly influenced by 2000's .324/.425/.542 season, but I never imagined that he would be such a bust.

But, yeah, I'd ship a dozen Alfonzos to the Angels for Vlad if someone builds a plane that could carry that weight.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Brutal?
I'll grant you it looks ok compared to the .243/.322/.403 he put up in 2001, but yeah, .451 slugging from a 3b isn't my idea of 7 mil.

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

In retrospect...
...there were plenty of red flags. Ted Robinson was already a Mets employee at that time but was guest hosting on KNBR, and started waving all of them: shaky back, questions about his age, dwindling power, dwindling range... I just didn't want to hear it.

Robinson ripped the Benitez signing as well. I hope he has something nice to say about our signings this year.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I sure hope I'm wrong
but all the Giants brass comments about how Benitez season can't be judged because he was coming back quickly from the leg injury don't seem to explain why he looked so bad back in April to me.

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, please...
... but even if we wanted to take on Delgado's salary, I just don't think we have the prospects. As risky as Thome would be, the Phillies would pay a good chunk of his salary and accept lesser prospects. I hope they at least make an effort to get either one of them.

Christ... you mentioned Mark Sweeney... a 36-year-old who just reached his career high in at-bats: 221. And he is the best possible choice out of the names I have heard. These John Mabry rumors are making my ears bleed... how do we make them stop?

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Nov 22, 2005 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

How do we make them stop?
By traveling back in time and drafting some talent of our own?

by Roger on Nov 22, 2005 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: How do we make them stop?
Exactly! Good drafting covereth a multitude of sins (yea verily).
So, I know a guy with a DeLorean; anybody know where we can get a Flux Capacitor?

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Nov 23, 2005 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Yes, please...
I heard that Mabry thing.  I wouldn't even want the best Mabry there ever was, let alone the 39 (or whatever) year old vagabond version.  Couldn't agree more about Sweeney.  Hearing these two guys make me hope for Daryle Ward for shite sake!  I do not want to long for Daryle Ward during the off-season.  Thanks for bringing me down to this level Mr. Sabean.

by out machine on Nov 22, 2005 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
I second that - what better place for him to place then the city by the bay

by amoose on Nov 22, 2005 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
i just once want a legit premier hitter along with bonds, even if it doesn't  workout... I will have 5 months to be excited about it
Further, darryl ward is a fat bastard, we think fonzie is a fat ass- this guy looks like he could have eaten tike redman, leading to him being left off fo the Pirates 40 man roster.

by mccormick22 on Nov 22, 2005 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
You didn't consider Jeff Kent or Matt Williams "legit premier hiiters"?
www.waitingfortbg.com (under contstruction)

by Goofus on Nov 23, 2005 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
How about Ellis Burk?  Can you imagine how good our offense would have been with him in 2002?

Also, I would consider Moises Alou to be a legit premier hitter, as well.  Hopefully we will get to see how well our offense functions with Bonds and Alou in the lineup a whole year.

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Nov 24, 2005 1:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope Sabean is kidding
Talk about addressing the need for a left handed power hitter and a firstbasemen with Ward, Mabry, or the older less talented Sweeney.  Just what we need lefties who just swing hardly and can barely field.  I thought we were going to address some problem areas this off season, not create them.  I hope I'm wrong, but next year seems like it will be a wash, even in the NL west.  Someone just put me out for 12 months and when I came to just let me know what happened.  JT Snow is still better for a year than anyone they are talking about.  Maybe if we want to give Bonds a ring we should wait till next year when the franchise will feel they have more financial flexability with out his big contract, and Alou, and Alfonzo, and Duhram.  
I wish my hometown newspaper could line up all the columns in a Giants box score.

by Bring Back the Thrill on Nov 23, 2005 3:11 AM PST reply actions  

maybe its just a quippy facade
Or maybe he is really just messing with all of our heads, reading this blog and telling us they are going after all the guys we don't want.  then he pulls something out of his...hat, and we bring in Delgado and find a good pitcher somewhere.  All is well and everyone will think he is a genius.
I wish my hometown newspaper could line up all the columns in a Giants box score.

by Bring Back the Thrill on Nov 23, 2005 3:15 AM PST reply actions  

Becket a Red Sox
Doesn't Becket going to the Red Sox make them a favorite to get to and perhaps win the World Series next year?  We can pine after Carlos all we want, but unless we get some real pitching help, we won't win the West, much less make it to the World Series.  With that said, we managed to take a mighty good player from the Marlins (Nen) so here is hoping we can do it again.

by APGiantsFan on Nov 23, 2005 6:22 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Becket a Red Sox
I find it difficult to get excited about a pitcher who has never thrown more than 170 innings in a season and whose performance has never matched his raw stuff (Tomko-lite). Given a choice between Beckett and Lowry, I would seriously consider taking Lowry.
And when you're old and grey you will remember what they said: '2 girls are too many, 3's a crowd and 4 you're dead' - The Kinks

by kenshin1 on Nov 23, 2005 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Beckett a lot
I wish the Giants had more in the minors and could have made that deal.  He's only 25 and he's pitched 609 innings in the majors with a 3.46 ERA.  His home park has helped but he's had a 3.83 ERA on the road.  He hasn't over worked his arm over the last few years because of the blister problems and he's got great stuff.  The only thing I worry about is injury.  But his IP have increased every year of his career so that is a good sign.  I think he's poised to move into the elite ranks.  A rotation with him, Lowry, and Cain would be so much fun to watch for years.  

I really feel like we need one more good pitcher to have a shot next year.

by Nick Schulte on Nov 23, 2005 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
Sorry Grant.  Delgado's a Met.  Front page of www.mlb.com  

-D

by dw4848 on Nov 23, 2005 8:31 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
It's all just part of Minaya's master plan to put together a deal sweet enough to steal Fonzie back from the Giants.  No f'in way, Omar!  You can offer us Delgado, Pedro, Beltran and a Prius-load of cash and there's no way you're getting Fonzie back!
Listen to the broadcast on KSFO.

by Shane on Nov 23, 2005 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
Here's to 162 games of Darryl Ward's fat ass waddling back to the dugout after a K.

by mccormick22 on Nov 23, 2005 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
just read on espn that the mets have landed delgado...

what's freaking sad is that the giants weren't even mentioned as one of the teams in the running for him. for all of sabeans moaning and whining about how we need to find a legit left handed bat, and then one stud gets magically inserted into the mediocre group of players out there that fit that bill.....and then the giants don't even make an attempt to go after him.

you'd hope that we'd learned our lesson from the vlad fiasco, but it's starting to become painfully obvious that the giants are more than content with maybe making the playoffs and that's it...they don't really care about making a serious run.

i swear i remember last year magowan saying that he would add money to our payroll in an attempt to win a World Series. Put your money where your mouth is Magowan.

by Bruins17 on Nov 23, 2005 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Oh, say, can you see this guy in our lineup?
Two players (including their top pitching prospect) PLUS $7 mil...I don't think the Giants would have even considered dropping that kind of cash while at the same time taking on all that salary.  That $7 mil is like a signing bonus that would be blown if he demanded a trade after next season.
www.waitingfortbg.com (under contstruction)

by Goofus on Nov 23, 2005 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think your $7M is going in the wrong direction
The Marlins are sending the Mets $7M.  So Delgado's contract to the Mets becomes 3yr/$41M or 4yr/$49M, depending on the option (there's also some unlikely incentives related to MVP votes and about 350K/yr to pay NY state taxes that don't exist in Florida, or something).

by Nick Schulte on Nov 23, 2005 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right...
...and I was...uh...un-right.
www.waitingfortbg.com (under contstruction)

by Goofus on Nov 23, 2005 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

For Rowand
I want to see how much money the Phills have to pay on Thome's contract, but I'm inclined to say this is a good deal for them as Rowand's a good CF and that was a need they had.

by Nick Schulte on Nov 23, 2005 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

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2012 MLB Draft Snapshot – HS Left handed pitchers
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2012 MLB Draft Snapshot – The Catchers
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